Gordon, Grace2025-11-102025-11-102025-10-28British Journal of Community Justice, ISSN: 1475-0279 (Print); 1475-0279 (Online), Manchester Metropolitan University, 20(1), 57-57. doi: 10.48411/wakh-c0191475-02791475-0279http://hdl.handle.net/10292/20087Carceral safety logics, which place institutions within the criminal punishment system as a source of safety, continue to dominate globally. Despite their dominance, during the last 5 years in Aotearoa New Zealand, surveys have reported that more people feel less safe (Ministry of Justice, 2023). This article problematises the reliance on carceral safety logics in Aotearoa and explores alternative approaches that may generate more collective and sustainable safety. This article draws on 16 semi-structured interviews with people who advocate or work in the ‘justice’ system to inform this perspective. Narratives shared within these interviews present a desired relational element of safety that is at odds with carceral safety logics and punitive approaches to safety. The participants, from penal populists to penal abolitionists, ultimately saw safety through community-building, ensuring wellbeing needs are met, and collective care. This article unpacks what these shared ideas could mean for abolitionist conceptions of safety and justice in the community.The British Journal of Community Justice is a peer-reviewed open-access online journal which articulates, interrogates and debates research, theory, policy and practice on community justice from the United Kingdom and internationally in other jurisdictions.440206 Critical approaches to crime1602 Criminology1801 Law4402 Criminology4805 Legal systemscarceral safety logicscare-based safetycollective carecommunity safetyprison abolitionJournal ArticleOpenAccess10.48411/wakh-c019